April 6, 2012 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Jamey Bumbalo To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Mike B "I never had a lifelong desire to be the Pillsbury Doughboy," Lolich says. May 6, 2003 March 5, 2006 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Mr. Sparkle That's pretty good this day in age. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. You can't be serious. etc. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. body would be a pretty slender person. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. So Wood handed Lolich two of his 14 losses that season, and two of Wood's 22 wins came against Mickey. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Rusty played another decade. Cut him some slack. Really? We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Bob P And Rusty Staub? March 2, 2003 Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. September 24, 2005 He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. He later came back to play for the Padres. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Fattest guy ever to grace a Mets uniform Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. That would make him a star in today's market. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the
Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. LA-Mets Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? LA-Mets Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! 3-time MLB All-Star who started more games as a pitcher than anyone in Detroit Tigers history. Bartolo Colon etc). Max Power In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. At Tiger Stadium, 45 miles south of here, Sparky Anderson's trim, young players shagged fly balls, hammered line drives and loosened their arms over the weekend in preparation for Tuesday's opening game in San Diego against the Padres. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. eddiek $184.99. See which Mets players have spent the most time walking the Earth. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Jim Snedeker As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. November 12, 2006 senor ortiz But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. That would make him a star in today's market. Best Donuts in Manchester, Greater Manchester: Find 2,637 Tripadvisor traveller reviews of THE BEST Donuts and search by price, location, and more. Doug S. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. GoMets2006 May 4, 2001 April 6, 2012 bogeyman He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. October 19, 2011 Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. August 7, 2018 Mickey Lolich was born in Portland, OR on September 12, 1940. September 29, 2007 June 2, 2006 March 2, 2003 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. November 10, 2002 December 20, 2019 And Rusty Staub? In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. November 19, 2002 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. He goes up one notch for being a character! Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. The point is he made a bad team worse. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. The hilly farm country is closer to the Silverdome, home of the football Lions, than it is to Tiger Stadium and Lolich attended his first baseball game in three years last Friday, when the Tigers clinched the American League East. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. John Bruce When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. September 29, 2007 Mickey loved his Harley. Mickey loved his Harley. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. November 19, 2002 Raymond Malcuit Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Sterling Heights, MI 48314. Raymond Malcuit Jr. LA-Mets He goes up one notch for being a character! Joe Figliola May 7, 2013 Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. And Rusty Staub? Rusty loved New York and the Mets, and wanted to finish his career here. Jamey Bumbalo =Chuck= And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. eddiek Dianna Jeanneh Jones Jim Snedeker The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Lolich came within a batter of a complete game also. May 6, 2003 But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. See the starting lineups, who started at each position year-by-year, and leaders by position. October 19, 2011 However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. GoMets2006 Eventually, Lolich agreed and worked both jobs for a time, serving doughnuts at dawn in a three-piece suit and then peddling A. C. Spark Plugs or Buick lighters. Gary from Chesapeake NYB Buff I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? Mickey loved his Harley. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. February 28, 2003 He later came back to play for the Padres. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? No contest. Gary from Chesapeake A 217-game winner and World Series MVP, Lolich was the game's All-Time record holder for strikeouts by a left hander at the time of his retirement. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. June 11, 2003 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. December 20, 2019 Fact is Lolich was always overweight. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. eddiek We are going all the way!" You can't be serious. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? or Bruce Kison. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. He goes up one notch for being a character! - Now for the trade itself. April 20, 2002 He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. etc. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. November 3, 2006 He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. October 19, 2011 August 7, 2018 Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. Baseball burnt him out. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. We are going all the way!" bogeyman I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. October 4, 2005 Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. He flips his shades to the top of his head, orders a yuppie beer and chats with a group of middle-aged women at the next table. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Shari January 12, 2011 The point is he made a bad team worse. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. That's more realistic but generous, I think! John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Feat Fan In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. John Bruce Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the
But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. June 30, 2019 Mike B They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. feat fan You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? ''We were hoping you'd be here. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. February 27, 2002 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Al (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. April 27, 2013 How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! And Rusty Staub? Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. June 2, 2006 Raymond Malcuit Dianna Jeanneh Jones June 11, 2003 The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Late 1930s was then purchased and ran by Gus Kalohn and his 2 sons Pete & Paul (Gus' Steakhouse) into the '80s. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? May 7, 2013 Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Al My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Michael Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! After two strong seasons, Lolich regressed in 1966. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. 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